There is something to be said about the nobility of detecting and weeding out propaganda, and especially in sharing that information with the rest of the class. I, for example, thoroughly enjoy being on Facebook and seeing a bullshit/fake story shared by someone, because that gives me the opportunity to point out why it’s wrong. There’s a lot of pleasure in that, in seeing someone sharing something that is utterly bullshit, and tearing it down–in knowing that at least some people are out there protected from “fake news” by you.
What PropOrNot is doing, however, is not that. I long for the day that I no longer have to source this Nietzsche quote, but I’m going to assume that the people at PropOrNot legitimately had nothing but the best of intentions when they started–as opposed to assuming that they always meant to be a pro-state propaganda site.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
See, there’s something very troubling about PropOrNot in that it seems to fixate itself entirely on what it calls “Russian Propaganda.”
First, you have www.lewrockwell.com listed as a propaganda site, and I happen to be–as an anarchist–pretty familiar with Lew Rockwell, and he is the furthest thing from a Russian propagandist, or that flavor-of-the-month label people have been loving to use so often that it has lost all meaning: useful idiot. He’s not the only anarcho-capitalist or libertarian that you targeted, though, is he? No, you’ve also named the Ron Paul Institute. I should inform you that I have been donating to the Foundation for Rational and Economic Education for years, supported Ron Paul heavily in 2012 (of course, the Ron Paul Institute springs from FREE), and know for a fact that Ron Paul, FREE, and the RPI have always been advocates for the American People and our liberty.
Now, this raises an interesting idea, doesn’t it? Advocates of freedom, peace, and prosperity are called, by you, basically enemies of the state, Russian propagandists. What does that say about you, PropOrNot, if known advocates of peace, freedom, and economic prosperity are deemed, in your worldview, to be enemies of the state? It means that you are pitting peace, freedom, and economic prosperity against the state, and you are siding with the state. Ron Paul was an American Representative for nearly 30 years, and you accuse his namesake institute–one in which he has been directly involved in the past–of being a tool of Russian propaganda. This champion of liberty, prosperity, and peace, who actively fought within the confines of the American government for nearly three decades–his institution, you say, is a Russian propagandist tool.
When I first became aware of your website, I laughed when I saw “The List.” Ah, but it rings with such finality, doesn’t it? This is The List, after all! Surely this list will be of tremendous value to us all, and–
The Economic Collapse Blog?
I think it was in 2011 that I became a reader of The Economic Collapse Blog, and I did lose interest in the site because of its constant doom-mongering, much as I have become weary of liberals and their constant doom-mongering, but Russian propagandists? What you must understand, Prop Or Not?, is that many of these websites you cite have roots going too far back for them to be Russian propaganda; they are institutions themselves. If anything, it is the appearance of a new website promising to function as a blacklist for all these “propaganda sites” that should arouse our suspicion and have us skeptical that we may be looking at propaganda. Longevity and age certainly don’t mean a lot, but if you expect me to believe a website that just appeared in 2016 is not propaganda when it states that a website I read regularly in 2011 is propaganda, then you’re going to have to do a lot to convince me of that. You see, I know them. I don’t know you.
In fact, who are you?
You hide behind anonymity like the Russian spies you claim exist, working in the shadows. For all I know, you’re a fat lazy sack of crap eating Hot Pockets because you’re angry that Hillary lost the election.
I think one of the more revealing things about your presence is that you don’t list Breitbart or RonPaul.com on The List. While I understand why you wouldn’t list a quote-unquote “official” website like Breitbart–how could you list them without listing Fox? And if you list Fox, how do you escape from having to list The Guardian?–I find the exclusion of the latter to be of tremendous interest, especially since the website notoriously has nothing to do with the American Congressional official who fought for Americans for three decades, and instead threw in its lot behind Donald Trump–a man who, allegedly, is a useful idiot of these mysterious Russian propagandists who are apparently playing Chess while we play Checkers.
That’s okay. I’m pretty good at chess–rated about 1850.
Isn’t that the contention here? That Donald Trump is the ultimate useful idiot of Russia, now becoming President of the United States as a tool of Russia? Yet you condemn a site that is affiliated with an American Representative with a long track record of fighting for–and only for–the American People, while you appear to ignore a website that repeatedly betrayed that American Congressional Official and threw its weight behind the supposed ultimate puppet of Russia, Donald Trump.
I know what you are doing, PropOrNot, and though I have no power and virtually no sway, I will do everything I can to tear you down.
So what are you really aiming at here?
I think I said it best earlier when I said you were labeling people as “enemies of the state.” I chuckled upon first viewing the list, because I long for the day that I see www.anarchistshemale.com slapped on The List, because you could do nothing to more effectively undermine your own credibility in my eyes–except, perhaps, denouncing the Ron Paul Institute and freaking Lew Rockwell as Russian propagandists.
Because we all know how much Putin loves anarcho-capitalism, right?
That is the crux of your site, though: you are allies of the state apparatus. Alex Jones is a clown and a lunatic even during the best of times, but Russian propaganda? No, certainly not. It is transparent that you have allied yourself with the state apparatus, establishing the “official press” as the Fourth Branch of Government, and you view it as your sacred duty to protect state propaganda while condemning anything that does not help, support, or glorify the apparatus to which you have clearly pledged your loyalty.
Why is CNN not listed? We know for a fact that CNN has manipulated information on two occasions–once where they omitted something that, by itself, would have been a newsworthy item, and once where they actually inverted a speaker’s message–whereas CNN had her sounding as though she was calling for peace, in actuality, the girl was calling for riots and destruction. We know that these things happened, that CNN did this. What is it called, to muddy the facts and edit videos so that they convey the message one wants them to convey, rather than the message that was actually given? Why, we call that “propaganda.”
Mark Dice certainly isn’t the sort of guy I would recommend on most occasions, but I was watching this unfold while he was watching it unfold, and I didn’t save the information; I saved only CNN’s tweet through one of its lesser-known journalists about the “error” they had made.
CNN gets a pass, though, and why? Because they are unequivocally part of the state apparatus, and Wikileaks–one of the propaganda sites you mention–showed us exactly how close CNN really was to the state apparatus: intimately close, to the extent that Our Lady Hillary was provided the debate questions before the debates. Yet this news source that has provably doctored videos, inverted their messages, lied, sided with the establishment candidate, and provided her information while pretending to be neutral and unbiased is not propaganda? But the people who revealed this corruption are?
I’m not worried for myself, PropOrNot, and, believe it or not, I’m not even worried for you. This war between liberty and the state is not likely to be resolved any time soon–that is, in fact, the reason that I support the Libertarian Party. We’ll be dealing with the state and its loyal apparatus that exists to twist and brainwash the masses for many years to come, and I know I won’t live to see the day that the entire evil system is torn down, with not one brick left on another.
I’ll rest in peace, though, knowing that day is coming, because it is coming. The progressive arc of humanity has been away from the state and toward freedom since the dawn of the state, and it was only the rise of fascism in the 20th century–which, in hindsight, we should have seen coming–that delayed our progress. The war is not over, though. Freedom and liberty will win out, in the end, and on that day that I die I will laugh, dying on the winning side, the pro-humanity and pro-freedom side, secure in the knowledge that you have sold your souls to the devil and that your day of reckoning is coming.
I would say “Repent! The end is nigh!” except that I know the end isn’t nigh.
I know how this game is played, PropOrNot, and I have to think that you don’t–if you did, you wouldn’t cast your lot with the losing side. The stronger this surge of what we’re calling “populism” becomes–this pushback against the institutionalism and the globalism that have usurped the national sovereignty that usurped individual sovereignty, the harder the state apparatus will fight for its survival–using tactics like these to attempt to beat us back into subservient bowing to the state, its promised solutions, and its assured benevolence.
Let us be real for a moment: we the people haven’t seen anything yet. As this war between the little people and the ruling elites heats up, you will bring out every trick in the book: open terrorism, the end of habeus corpus, the shredding of privacy (oops, that already happened), the rise of total fascism and a supreme state that dictates rather than listens. You realize, of course, that we have played this game before–albeit on a smaller scale? What do you think the American Revolution was? The French Revolution?
You have never won, and you will not win this time. The stronger this misguided populist surge becomes, the harder you will fight back to cling to your dominance. The harder your cling to your dominance, the stronger the populist surge will become. You’ve seen it already? You thought half of the UK was against Brexit? That’s true, but what happened when it began looking like the UK courts might attempt to prevent it? Holy hell! Everyone got mad, even the Remain advocates. Because that’s what happens. That’s how it always happens.
On what side of history do you wish to fall? The side of the people, or the side of the rulers?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course. You’ve clearly made your choice.
I’m just making sure you understand the ramifications.